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Magnificent century (Muhtesem Yuzy by I heart Duncan James. Mustafa had a great sympathy towards his half-brothers, especially to Beyazt and Cihangir (the youngest ones). [15], Roxelana, called Hurrem Sultan by the Ottomans, probably entered the harem around seventeen years of age. Muradiye complex. If, however, you can get an admin to permanently block the page from any further editing you may do so. I already gave you all evidence, but you insist on calling her a sultana because you "assume" Birinci Kadin and Sultan mean the same: they are applied to concubine and legal wife accordingly and therefore don't mean the same. Mahidevran could hardly have predicted Hurrem Sultans success. Her supposed rivals relationship with Suleiman (r. 15201566) was unprecedented, a After the death of Suleiman's other sons and his ascension to the throne in 1520 she acquired the rank of mother of the Sultan's eldest son. Mahidevran's name ( Turkish pronunciation: [mahidevan], Persian: ) means "one who is always beautiful", "one whose beauty never fades" or "beauty of the times" in Persian. You can cite thousands of pop culture books with erronous facts, rumours and misconceptions. All these authors could've have used this phrase simply because they didn't know what the real father's name was, like I said "this name was and is very common for any royal family as well as a common family in any Islamic dynasty." And for your info, they all married the sultan and were legal wives, and those that weren't married were called hatun. You can infer and speculate and theorize all you want, but history is history and I find it highly disrespectful and arrogant that you think your abstractions are worth more than the reality of events. On the other hand, Hrrem Sultan gave birth to another son named Selim in 1524, and the rivalry between two women became more intense than ever. She commissioned a bath, the Hurrem Sultan Bathhouse, to serve the community of worshippers in the nearby Hagia Sophia. According to late 16th-century and early 17th-century sources, such as the Polish poet Samuel Twardowski (died 1661), who researched the subject in Turkey, Hurrem was seemingly born to a man surnamed Lisovski, who was an Orthodox priest of Ruthenian origin. He appointed to govern Konya instead of Mustafa. Learn more about merges. Let me repeat it; why didn't popular culture ever mentioned another Hatun ranked consort a Sultan? And only after the release of the series Magnificent Century, where she was one of the main characters, various information about this sultana began to appear on the Internet.As Mahidevran's contemporaries wrote, in life she was a black-haired beauty with brown eyes. The change of titles was to differentiate a legal wife from a concubine/consort/unrecognized wife or however you want to call it. The problem with the sources you cite is that they're recent and are rooted in speculation, just as all of your post above. This has to stop, no factual person will buy your theory. A portrait of Roxelana in the British Royal Collection, c. 160070, A painting of Hurrem Sultan by a follower of Titian, 16th century, Roxelana and Sleyman the Magnificent by the German baroque painter Anton Hickel, (1780), Engraving by Johann Theodor de Bry, (1596), 16th century oil on wood painting of Hurrem Sultan, Tribute to Roxelana on 1997 Ukrainian postage stamp, Serlevha (illuminated frontispiece) from the Endowment Charter (Waqfiyya) pertaining to the architectural complex commissioned by Hrrem Sultan in the Aksaray district of Istanbul. [16]:131 After Hrrem resided at Topkap it became known as the New Palace (saray- jedid).[28]. [20] Hurrem became the only partner of the ruler and received the title of Haseki, which means the favorite. Khondoker Jobair (talk) 06:13, 16 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]. [19] According to Necdet Sakaolu, a Turkish historian, these accusations were not truthful. Please be fair. WebAuthor has 325 answers and 6.9M answer views Oct 9. This page was last edited on 16 January 2023, at 12:59. Best:) - Worldandhistory (talk) 15:18, 30 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Mahidevran Sultan in Trke Bilgi = tr:Meahidevran Sultan in Turkish Wikipedia. ((reftalk))Reply[reply], There is no consensus to add the interview of an "alleged descendant" of Mahidevran to this article. ", That's not the correct conclusion, though. [23], Hurrem became the first consort to receive the title Haseki Sultan. There must be only one, with correct facts that inform people with the necessary information, and the reader, not the editor, is the one who makes the interpretation. Suleiman (r. 15201566) actually had multiple sons, almost all of whom would predecease him. By the time he became Sultan, he had three: Mahmud, Mu Empress of the East: How a European Slave Girl Became Queen of the Ottoman Empire. If that is wrong, Wikipedia should never ever cite an interview source in any other article as well. Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E8:8BCE:C01:ED43:4385:BB24:1ABE (talk) 09:23, 10 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply], (moved from user TP) Khondoker Jobair (talk) 06:10, 16 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], I think you are mistaken my friend,,Mahidevran Sultan was the first chief consort and the proud mother Sehzade mustafa,the most potential heir apparent of the throne for succesion of his father.And you are saying that she was not even a concubine??? The leading cause of death in subjects with preserved EF was noncardiovascular disease (49%) versus coronary heart disease (43%) for subjects with reduced EF. After that, although Hurrem's successor Nurbanu Sultan and her successor Safiye Sultan exchanged letters with queens, there is no other example of a female sultan who personally contacted a king other than Hurrem Sultan. +14 more. Also note the rank Kadin or Birinci Kadin ended with Mahidevran, this rank changed to Haseki Sultan (logically this is what happened). In the Ottoman imperial family tradition, a sultan's consort was to remain in the harem only until her son came of age (around 16 or 17), after which he would be sent away from the capital to govern a faraway province, and his mother would follow him. Check your inbox or spam folder to confirm your subscription. [5] She soon became Suleiman's most prominent consort beside Mahidevran (also known as Glbahar), and their relationship was monogamous. Whatever the case, the result was bitter for Mahidevran; Suleiman started to neglect her as punishment. While she was serving as the mother to heir apparent she was considered a Sultan's family member (Ottoman court etiquette), hence the title. Mahidevran and Suleiman had five children -- three sons and two daughters. The references you've cited present a clear inconsistency with defined Ottoman titles and therefore they are invalid.190.218.117.86 (talk) 16:57, 1 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], This is the point, whether she was a main wife or not. Mihrimah Sultan was born in 1522 as the daughter of Sultan Soliman the Magnificent and Roxelana. During the campaign against Safavid Persia in 1553, because of fear of rebellion, Suleiman ordered the execution of Mustafa. Because none of these people neither Ottomans nor foreign visitors were permitted into the inner circle of the imperial harem, which was surrounded by multiple walls, they largely relied on the testimony of the servants or courtiers or on the popular gossip circulating around Istanbul. Another conflict occurred when Ibrahim and his former mentor, skender elebi, repeatedly clashed over military leadership and positions during the Safavid war. It is clear by your statement that you're being subjective about this: you're looking for an excuse rather than solid facts to call Mahidevran a sultana. .mw-parser-output .brokenref{display:none}Cite error: There are
tags on this page, but the references will not show without a {{reflist|group=note}} template (see the help page). Mahidevran Turbesi5.jpg 320 240; 21 KB. 1581 deaths. A few years later, Mustafa and Mahidevran were sent back to Amasya. The original caption is only "sultana" and there is no reference to Rosne Pranvere. I asked a simple question and you failed to answer because you cant. Doug Weller talk 15:40, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], The Haseki Sultan was chief consort, and Hrrem Sultan was Sleyman's. Our ancestors said that the plague goes away once the trees shed their leaves in autumn."[26]. Not interested? Hurrem's birth name is unknown. Raziye was born 1519, as daughter of sleyman and flane hatun. The cause of death is a specific disease or injury, in contrast to the manner of death, which is a small number of categories like "natural", "accident", "suicide", and "homicide", each with different legal implications. Imber, Colin (2002). Letempsviendra (talk) 19:30, 16 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply], Phso 2 You are saying that Leslie P. Pierce told n his book that for the creation of the title Haseki Sultan for Hurrem all the other consorts carried an alternative title Hatun.But my freind you should also know that,Leslie P. Peirce also said that during 16th century(Suleiman's reign) the title Hatun for a valide,princesses and Sultan's consorts were changed by Sultan(it's called Sultana in the harem to distinguish between male and female). WebAccording to some reports he died of natural causes, while others say that Mahidevran, the mother of Sehzade Mustafa gave the order to kill Sehzade Mehmet because he could take And I have an interesting video for the newer.Today I want to tell you about Mahidevran Sultan, who she really is.Mahidevran Sultan is the mother of Shehzade Mustafa. 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She did not spend her last years in poverty, as her stepson, Bas kadin literally means "Head Woman", and if this "head woman" status didn't exist at that time then why she has been referred as "Ba kadin" or Birinci kadin by numerous books? The Ringling Museum in Sarasota, Florida, purchased the original or a copy around 1930. Partly. Its was Mahidevrans fault that Sultan Suleiman focused all his attention on Hrrem Sultana. Simply because Mahidevran was too proud and wan This tradition was called Sancak Beylii. Learn how your comment data is processed. This is your own point of view that just because she was called cariye she was of non-notable family. [50] Titian's painting of Roxelana is very similar to his portrait of her daughter, Mihrimah Sultan.[49]. Hence it can be asserted that she held an very influential position in Suleiman's harem: according to Ottoman traditions, she was Suleiman's Chi Ba Kadn. Hello my dear friends!I'm glad to see you on my channel. She was the grandmother of Murad III. It was not because Hafsa Sultan was firmly against this unification, but because it was not allowed for a concubine to rise above the status of the Valide Sultan (Queen Mother). Also, she became an important symbol of how ottoman consorts never had a permanent position in Harem and politics as it was only after Mahidevran with whom the Ottoman started respecting their royal consorts, it is obvious, that when Hurrem Sultan was given such elevation the same time the mother of heir apparent was alive and living in the Harem, that Mahidevran was also considered as Sultan's family member and hence the title. This King (Sultan) did not have many successors left by 1511, for his only surviving son was Prince Sulieman (who later became Suleiman the Magnificent). According to him, Mahidevran Sultan was the daughter of Prince Idar Temryuk.Was it really so? Hurrem was allowed to give birth to more than one son which was a stark violation of the old imperial harem principle, "one concubine mother one son," which was designed to prevent both the mother's influence over the sultan and the feuds of the blood brothers for the throne. For the record, The books I referred are History books, recalled by actual accounts, I didn't cite a popular history book or a theater play. [8] [9] Though Hurrem was more favored, Mahidevran was still a wife and mother of heir apparent. Memorial ID. Why not any other Hatun has that article differences. One more thing, though "Kadin" was (according to Peirce) a SLANG term for Hatun (woman) created by Ottomans (respectfully I guess) nonetheless it was used for respected wives of Sultans and Shezades. With many other revolutionary movements like these, she had started an era in Ottoman Empire called the Reign of Women. Please consider all sources available. There are reasons to believe that these two letters were more than just diplomatic gestures, and that Suleiman's references to brotherly or fatherly feelings were not a mere tribute to political expediency. Hurrem later managed to become the Haseki Sultan or "favorite concubine" of the Ottoman imperial harem. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 05:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Also, let's not forget that many of those artistic/theatrical depictions are based on rumors and fictitious creations for the sake of entertainment. I think she was chief consort but later lost her position though she remained first wife. The series follows the reign of Sultan Sleyman (r. 1520-1566), known in the West as Suleiman the Magnificent. [42], It is believed that Hurrem was a cunning, manipulative and stony-hearted woman who would execute anyone who stood in her way. Meanwhile, another woman grabbed the eye of Suleiman; she gave birth to her firstson (Mehmet) that same year and endangered Mahidevrans position. [20] She pleads with the King to trust her envoy Hassan Aa who took another message from her by word of mouth. Never before had a former slave been elevated to the status of the sultan's lawful spouse, a development which astonished observers in the palace and in the city. And Mahidevran was the proud mother of Sehzade Mustafa,who was the most potential and talented heir apparent to the throne.And Mahidevran was not like the other Consorts of Suleiman,like Gulfem or Fulane.After the death of the sons of other consorts by diseases She was the mother of only son of Suleiman the magnificent and according to the ottoman tradition sje was Suleiman's Bas kadin,which was the most powerful position for a Sultan's consort before creation and after abolition of the title Haseki Sultan.As Leslie P. Pierce said that during Suleiman's reign the title for Queen mother, Princesses and Sultan's chief consort changed to Sultan from Hatun.And other ordinary consorts of Sultan held the title Hatun.And Mahidevran Sultan was favorite and chief consort of Suleiman before hurrem,and she was the mother of crown prince of the ottoman empire. Not all Haseki married the Sultan, if Hasekis can be called Sultana without marrying the Sultan so can the Bas Kadins. The consorts were never to return to Istanbul unless their sons succeeded to the throne. Best R. - Worldandhistory (talk) 16:08, 25 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], @Phso2, your provided sources does not particularly points at M's father. Khondoker Jobair (talk) 06:37, 16 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], Keivan, do you really have access to the proposed source? Around 1541, the Venetian ambassador wrote that Mustafa foundeda great court in Amasya, which paralleled that of his father. Hatun is not a Title at all. In one of her letters to Suleiman, she informs him about the situation of the plague in the capital. WebHello my dear friends!I'm glad to see you on my channel. The name Roxalane derives from Roksolanes, which was the generic term used by the Ottomans to describe girls from Podolia and Galicia who were taken in slave raids. [2][3][4][5] She has been known by this title since Nurbano's time. She wasn't able to smile as she once did, and she didn't show much generosity towards her [25], After the death of Suleiman's mother, Hafsa Sultan, in 1534, Hurrem became the most trusted news source of Suleiman. You completely twisted the question and answered what I didn't ask. In the end, she found herself in Manisa as one of the women in the Suleimans harem. Chteau de Blois A favourite royal residence, The Daughters of William the Silent Emilia Antwerpiana of Nassau. For the series' last season, she is portrayed by Turkish actress Vahide Perin. 256 0 15. Peirce, Leslie (2017). Worldandhistory (talk) 00:10, 25 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], You did not answer my first point, no where in the article does it say she belonged to a noble family, the article is now free from any claims of her being scion, the article simply focuses on her origins. Mustafa was later accused of causing unrest. However, some argue that she has Albanian roots. I think it is obvious that the exception would have been made at that time for a non-Haseki consort to be called a Sultan. According to a source he was executed that very year on charges of planning to dethrone his father; his guilt for the treason of which he was accused remains neither proven nor disproven. All the facts have been laid out but you still want to call Mahidevran a sultana when she wasn't: she didn't legally marry Suleyman, nor was the mother of a sultan. We cannot overlook them. [3] She entered the Imperial Harem, rose through the ranks and became the favourite of Sultan Suleiman. For Ukrainian language novels, see Osyp Nazaruk (1930) (English translation is available). commercial banks of the capitalist states book; nicholas martin roosevelt; beiersdorf cleveland, tn closing; the difference between body, soul and spirit Even as a consort, her power was comparable with the most powerful woman of the Imperial Harem, who by tradition was the sultan's mother or valide sultan. "She was said to have been the most beautiful girl in the dynasty and out-stood in beauty in a land which was known for it. Hurrem acted as Suleiman's advisor on matters of state, and seems to have had an influence upon foreign policy and on international politics. Specially every Circassion origin theory. Since the empire lacked, until the reign of Ahmed I (16031617), any formal means of nominating a successor, successions usually involved the death of competing princes in order to avert civil unrest and rebellions. During the start of 15th century, the Ottoman dynasty was taking over the territories of its rivals more rapidly than before. Two of her letters to King Sigismund II Augustus of Poland (reigned 15481572) have survived, and during her lifetime the Ottoman Empire generally had peaceful relations with the Polish state within a PolishOttoman alliance. Takabeg (talk) 09:10, 24 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply], Someone needs to check the pronunciation: stress and vowel length. The Ottoman archives and privy purse records prove that she was Mahidevran Hatun, regardless that fact that she was the mother of the crown prince or had been once a favorite of Suleiman. Reply[reply], Sort it out. Despite Mahidevrans warnings, he stayed in close contact with the other princes. With Suleiman, she had five sons and one daughter. 16th-century women. Something that interests me is how a popular notion can sound very appealing. First of all, many claims as to what happened in the harem are comple I'm a bit puzzled that when it was first added on Turkish WP, the year was 1581. 18th century portrait of Hurrem Sultan kept at Topkap Palace. [33] It is also rumored that Hurrem Sultan conspired against Mustafa with the help of her daughter and son-in-law Rustem Pasha; they wanted to portray Mustafa as a traitor who secretly contacted the Shah of Iran. Traditionally, when a new sultan rose to power, he would order all of his brothers killed in order to ensure there was no power struggle. After Valide Sultan's death, Mahidevran Sultan takes the lead of the harem. That same year ambassador Navagero wrote, It is impossible to describe how much he is loved and desired by all successors to the throne. Thank you 113.203.177.1 (talk) 18:32, 28 March 2016 (UTC) This site uses cookies to improve your experience and to help show content that is more relevant to your interests. [11] She was to bear the majority of Suleiman's children. In 1561, three years after Hurrem's death, the French author Gabriel Bounin wrote a tragedy titled La Soltane. I oppose changing the title from Sultan to Hatun. Webmahidevran. This did not, however, prevent Hurrem from wielding powerful political influence. Simply click 'close' in the top right corner to continue reading! Why popular theatre plays describe her character despite strangers of all types being forbidden into the harem? She wrote, "My dearest Sultan! Though Hurrem must have been called Sultana first, the Ottoman dynamics simply couldn't allow such discrepancy within the Harem that once the title "Sultan" is started being used for favorite wives, that they don't called the first favorite with the same title. While "XXX son of Abdullah" maybe a son of a convert slave, you cannot say that Khalid son of Abdullah or Hussein son of Abdullah are also slaves. Thank you.113.203.163.165 (talk) 11:54, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I think both theories are correct, general logic can be used in Wikipedia IF the sources available contradicts each other, but even if she was called Sultan there is no need to mention it in the Title. With this letter, Hurrem sent Sigismund II the gift of two pairs of linen shirts and pants, some belts, six handkerchiefs, and a hand-towel, with a promise to send a special linen robe in the future. It was the first complex constructed in Istanbul by Mimar Sinan in his new position as the chief imperial architect. She was the chief consort of Suleiman before the appearance of Hrrem Sultan. You did not saw that did you? Basic Books. Born in Ruthenia (then an eastern region of the Kingdom of Poland, now Rohatyn, Ukraine) to a Ruthenian Orthodox priest, Hurrem was captured by Crimean Tatars during a slave raid and eventually taken to Istanbul, the Ottoman capital. Adding something as controversial as ""she was a slave"" as can be seen here would only draw unnecessary attention of the fans and/or may or may not be alleged descendants, as your content was more like a statement rather than a neutral point of view. Mahidevran, concubine of Suleiman the Magnificent Birth Place: Bosporus, Turkey Birthday: 1500 Death Date: February 3, 1581(age 81) Mustafa attended to his father during the Persian war, despite his mothers warnings. He was accused of collaborating with the Shah and was executed in the battle camp. Jobair khondoker (talk) 17:41, 2 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], "But Leslie P. Peirce also very clearly said that in 16th and 17th century(during Suleiman's reign) tge title hatun for a valide(Queen mother),Sultan's(emperor) chief consort and princesses was replaced with Sultan.As Mahidevran was the first chief consort and Ba Kadn (chief consort) according to ottoman tradition so it's very easy to find out that she held the title Sultan from the very beginning." On the case of Roxelana, it was a nickname she was given that didn't elevate or lowered her status and wasn't a direct reflection of Ottoman culture but more of the influence she had on history. Here are some sources (regardless of their nature) they contradicts the motion that she wasn't called Sultan. Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.161.124.138 (talk) 14:13, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply], SO many false claimed about Mahidevran and a daughter of Sleyman , who called Raziye. Dear Phso 2,I think i have made the issue clear which is about the royal woman "Mahidevran" and you shuould not have any doubt or confusion or Question regarding this subject. She is still known and remembered today as the most politically influential Ottoman princess, and the only one to have served as Valide Sultan during her brother's reign. Even lowest ranking maids of the Harem were called Hatun out of respect. Some sources say she moved to Topkap, not because of the fire, but as a result of her marriage to Suleiman. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 13:40, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I agree with the latest proposal. Timaru, 7910 Now Mahidevran became a chief consort as a mother of the only prince in the Empire. [11] After the wedding, the idea circulated that the sultan had limited his autonomy and was dominated and controlled by his wife. [17] She did not spend her last years in poverty, as her stepson, Selim II, the new sultan after 1566, put her on a lavish salary. No need to change the title. "[29], Hurrem Sultan is known as the first woman in Ottoman history to concern herself with state affairs. Thank you. [5] Michalo Lituanus wrote in the 16th century that "the most beloved wife of the present Turkish emperor mother of his first [son] who will govern after him, was kidnapped from our land". In 1520 after the death of Selim I, Suleiman moved to Istanbul to succeed his father, his court followed him afew weeks later. [25] Also, in Ottoman society, mothers played more influential roles in their sons' educations and in guiding their careers. She was presented to Suleiman when he was still a prince. Hope you understand. If you must, then make the title read as "Mahidevran" only. Despite the fact that male European artists were denied access to Hurrem in the Harem, there are many Renaissance paintings of the famous sultana. If you are, however, still convinced that only Peirce's book is authentic source for the Ottomans, try putting this "concubinage" information in Ottoman Empire in details as explained by Leslie and see the response of Turks and Ottoman followers by yourself. Where she came from? Phone: Almost all, as one historian, argue that this woman had incredible beauty.Many historians write that she was a Circassian. Hurrem and Mahidevran had borne Suleiman six ehzades (Ottoman princes), four of whom survived past the 1550s: Mehmed, Selim, Bayezid, and Cihangir. She had a Kira who acted as her secretary and intermediary on several occasions, although the identity of the kira is uncertain (it may have been Strongilah[39] or Esther Handali[citation needed]). 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